Hi Chris: Thanx for the report. See if you can isolate what makes the bns go into this looping mode. If we can figure out what causes it then I can probably fix it. The problem is figureing out what causes the problem. Also, how often does it happen? Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061