Well, v-0.10a is newer but it should have patched no problem. Those errors have nothing to do with speakup. I suspect there must be something you don't have installed. I have seen those before but it has been so long that I can't remember what caused them anymore. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061